Because Christianity is bigger than Biblical manhood or Biblical womanhood (Blog of Retha Faurie)

Titus 2 keeping was what Jenny have done

called it The Godliest Lifestyle Under The Sun

On judgment day said the Lord Divine:

“My Word’s chapters are a-thousand-one-hundred-and-eighty-nine

Out of that number, Jenny, your score is one.”


A few of the tea-drinking, old-fashioned, pink-and pastel pictures you will find if you search for “Titus 2 womanhood”. You find nothing if you search for 1 Thes. 5:17 womanhood, or Mat. 28:18-20 womanhood, or Luke 10:27 womanhood...

A few of the tea-drinking, old-fashioned, pink-purple-and pastel pictures you will find if you search for “Titus 2 womanhood”. You find nothing if you search for 1 Thes. 5:17 womanhood, or Mat. 28:18-20 womanhood, or Luke 10:27 womanhood…


Note: Since Titus 2 keepers like “Jenny” actually lives by only 3 verses from Titus 2, (:3-5) and the Bible has approx. 31 000 verses, her score would be 3/31 000, or less than 0,01%

More important note: When God looks at a believer through the blood of Jesus, Read the rest of this entry »

Someone in the Facebook group Biblical Christian Egalitarians asked this question:

Hi friends. In a few weeks, I’m going to be the guest leader at a youth group, and I’ve been asked to present a biblical defense for women in all forms of ministry. I can give that lecture or preach that sermon, but I am ardently against just “talking at” adolescents. With that in mind, I am looking for some varied, creative methods for this session… I’m pondering some kind of ice breaker that requires group/teamwork, but where half of them aren’t allowed to speak or contribute to their team to demonstrate how silencing half of the church is counter-productive to our mission. Any ideas are welcome, especially if you’ve done them before with your own groups!


This got me brainstorming a few ideas for active learning to introduce egal topics to teens. Here are what my little brain came up with:


What happens when women have to be silent, when over half the church cannot give their knowledge to the rest? (An intro for an egalitarian lesson that include discussion of 1 Cor. 14:34-35 and 1 Timothy 2:)

a) Hide something, with some students seeing and some not. The seeing students may not say a word, or move from their chairs to lead the others to where the hidden thing is. They should try to indirectly influence the team nonetheless.

Even better if it is in two teams, looking for the same object. You try to influence your own team’s people to find it first.

(Not giving the chance to whisper may mean a rule that the looking-for-it people should stay a meter or more from the knowers, by a line you draw in the room. But work out such logistics by the nature of your room and situation)

Then discuss how it is not good for some in the church to be silent, showing that even the “women keep silent” are in a passage that repeatedly say all should bring speaking gifts to church, and it is good if all prophesy.

b) Another commenter to the question suggested charades, but one team could simply tell the answer to those guessing, while the other team has to play the normal way.


An intro for discussing the impracticality of gender roles:

Mark off different areas on a floor with curvy (not straight) lines. Play a form of soccer* or hockey* where, for the first point or two, everyone of a certain team has to stay in their “assigned role” area marked on the floor, but the other team not. That is very impractical. Then let them play another point or two the normal way.

Discuss: If God’s team limit people to certain boxes, regardless of where they actually will be able to use their talents, then we are not very effective in the fight against the darkness (the other team).

(*Since the point of such games is never about the difference between people who played a sport for years and those who never do, try to make it different from normal sport by different equipment: Hockey with pool noodles and a rolled-up ball of socks, or soccer with the inflated empty foil packet from boxed fruit juice/ boxed cheap wine is an example.)


An intro for a lesson on how the Bible could be misused.

Divide into the green team and the red team. (They don’t have to go anywhere for this one – they could just be the left and right half of your audience.) Tell each team that you will give them a clue to interpret the sentences you will give them. They should not show their clue to the other team. To the Reds, give a piece of paper: Red team should rule the world. To the greens, pass a paper saying: Green team should rule the world. (They read this and pass it among their team, but not to the other team.)

Give the statement:

1) Reds should help Greens.

Ask them if it means:

a) Reds should do the dirty work, Greens tell them what to do.

b) Reds should help Greens by leading them to the truth.

2) Greens, raise children with love but be strict too.

a) Greens are the real authority figures over children – their what they tell children count more than what Reds say.

b) Greens should stay at home looking after children while Reds make decisions over other things.

3) Everyone should work along with one another. Reds, work along with Greens. Greens, be willing to give things up for Reds.

a) Reds should work along by obeying, Green should be nice while telling Reds what to do.

b) Reds should consider Greens, but they are in charge and could tell Greens what to give up.


Red team will consistently choose b), and Green team a). Discuss why: It happened because of the paper that gave them a preconcieved notion of how to read the messages. There are similar messages in the Bible (Genesis 2:18,20 is similar to statement 1; Eph 6:4 is similar to statement 2); Eph 5:21-30 is similar to statement 3). In a world that believed – and still in many ways believe – the Green team notion (Greens/ men should rule) people have read the Bible and saw it as an excuse for male rule.


Other thoughts:

My experience is in teaching children, with some knowledge of what kind of curriculum Sunday School teachers for teens like. But teaching 13- or 15-year olds cannot be completely different from teaching 10- or 12-year olds. As such, take this from whom it comes:
Remember that teens have a short concentration span. When you have one large time block, two hours for example, I suggest several “sessions” of certainly no longer than 40 minutes each – and that is already long. Break it up between sessions by at least inserting things like a lesson-related game in between. (A new chance to move, a new attention-getter/ intro into the topic.) Plus let them participate by asking them questions and letting them look up things in the Bible, letting them discuss in groups and report back…

Since we are on the topic of teaching teens egalitarianism, I will mention that CBE has teen curriculum, named “Called Out”. You may be interested.

male female paper strip


Premise 1: Jesus want God’s kingdom to come on earth as in heaven. (Mat 6:9-10)

Premise 2: Even complementarians admit that before God (in heaven), men and women Read the rest of this entry »

Equal, but women should rule!

women-rule-humorous-t-shirt_designYou are all familiar with selective complementarian Bible reading. If, some day, you are in the mood for poking light fun at them, here is a few text to use for construing a Bible presentation whereby women and men are equal, but men really should accept they are here to complement women as the ones with the wisdom to be teachers and authority figures:

Satan is male – Satan is described as “he” throughout the Bible.

Sin entered the world through Adam: Romans 5:12,14

God denies being male, and connects maleness to dishonesty: Num 23:19

The words of a woman should carry more weight: The woman’s testimony taken as 100% true in all alleged rape cases where no member of the public would have heard them. Deut 22:25-26

Abraham, the father of the believers, was told to listen to his wife, in all she said: Gen 21:12

Wisdom is female: Pro 1:20; 9:1

Women who proclaim God’s word are a mighty throng : Psalm 68:11 (Note: Some old translations leave out that these were women.)

Here is my main attempt of that nature. (The above texts were compiled after that attempt.)

Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength

You will see that much of what I say here will also fit under “loving others as yourself.” True – loving God and loving others are very compatible.

If you love God, you will see yourself as He does. You will see your value is based on being created in His image:

There is a great little object lesson for Sunday School: Take a $20 note, and ask if the children would want it. They would. What is it worth? $20. Have some paint with you to soil the note. And if it gets dirty? It is still worth $20. Crumple the note and give it a slight tear. What if it gets crumpled and torn? Still $20. If you get mistreated, if you sin (get dirty), you are still made in the image of God, and worth so much that Jesus shed his blood for you.

Like the message of this lesson, your value is not based on your sexiness (a secular view), your purity (a religious view), or anythingmaxresdefault else. It is based on being created in the image of God. We should not objectify others, because, in their humanity, they are valuable to God. We do not need to find value in how much others desire us, sexually – our value lies elsewhere. Women with sexual experience are not licked candy bars or damaged goods – they are valuable.

People are not objects (Lust):

This fits in closely with where we find our value. Read the rest of this entry »

(Links in this article are not all to Christian sites. And some sites I link to here are NSFW.)


Blogger Libby Anne, who grew up in Christian Patriarchy but chose to leave that religion, believes she got a much better sexual ethic now: Consent, she claims, is far superior to God’s rules as a basis for sexual ethics.

I largely empathize with her: If you see God’s rules as an arbitrary imposition, you will pretty much prefer sexual values in which your opinion matter.

But on the other hand, “consent” or “choice” is a very inadequate standard of ethics: Brahmin widows, for example, chose/ consented to be burned on the funeral pyres of their husbands. This, of course, was because of societal expectations, and did not make it ethical to burn these widows to death.

The same is the case with sexual ethics. For one thing, women are socialized, to a degree men are not, to think more of the needs of others than their own. This means girls/ women would sometimes consent to things which are not in their own interest. A sex act may also not be in the best interest of other people: For example, consensually getting pregnant with the child of a drug addict (the child would not want a father like that), or two consensual adults cheating on the spouse of on of them. People choose myriads of things which are not good for either themselves or the people around them, so ethics have to go further than consent.

Here are some things which I believe should play a role in Christian sexual ethics. (Okay, full disclosure: I say all these things as someone who have never actually been sexually active. So you will probably know quite a few things about this topic that I do not.) But, for what it is worth, I want to start with the biggest commandment: Love the Lord with all your heart, and love your neighbour as you love yourself.

Sexual ethics has to do with how you treat people, so I want to handle the second part first:

Love your neighbor as yourself

Older-Couple-Tender-CaressThis means that you should see every sex act in connection with how it influences those around you.

Ethical sex cares as much about the woman’s needs as the man’s. Mutuality (as seen in for example the due benevolence of 1 Cor 7:3-5) should be a key principle. One example of ethical sex that is interested in female well-being is to recognize how a safe relationship is better for women than hookup sex. They are even more likely to orgasm there.

Actions from which a child could result? It is usually best for a child to grow up with two loving biological parents. If you love vulnerable younger humans as you love yourself, you will care about who you make children with: To be born inside a loving, stable marriage is really the best place for them.

Loving children as yourself also has to do with what is acceptable public displays of sexuality: What message does this TV show, this billboard, this public behavior, these Internet videos that are available without age-related identification, give to children? Is it in their best interest? Is it okay to sexualize public breast feeding, as babies get hungry everywhere?

Love builds up, it does not break down: Some women even consent/ choose to allow their partners to act like the stalking, threatening, sadistic male lead with a room of pain in a recent book set named after 50 hues of a bland colour. This goes so far against natural human self-preservation that we have to care what pressures in society causes women to do so. Men who like to hurt women1 and call them sexually degrading names are deeply evil2. Read the rest of this entry »

jesus_mary_marthaSamuel Martin has an interesting take on what it means that Paul sat at the feet of Gamaliel:

In his first Jerusalem trial (Acts 22:2), Paul introduced himself to the Sanhedrin as he who learned “at the feet of Gamaliel.” This phrase means more than we would take it for at first glance. It sounds like Paul is giving homage to his teacher, and that he hung on Gamaliel’s every word. Actually, Paul used this figure of speech to remind the Sanhedrin just how important a figure Saul of Tarsus was, even from his earliest years in Jerusalem. In the synagogues, students sat in an arrangement that reflected Read the rest of this entry »

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