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Gender hierarchy people do not “take the Bible at face value”

Have you ever heard anybody use something from 1 Peter 3 to explain what a wife should be or do?unbalanced-scale-left-x

If so, how often have you heard them take this text literally:

3 Your beauty should not come from outward adornment, such as elaborate hairstyles and the wearing of gold jewelry or fine clothes. 4 Rather, it should be that of your inner self…
“Women, your beauty should not lay in outward things. Spend no time on your hair, make-up, or figure, even if your husband wants you to – rather spend time on the inward beauty.” – Hypothetical preacher of this text

By comparison, how often have you heard them take this text literally: (more…)

The aliens who loved to be in charge

On a planet far away from here, a wise teacher taught the planet’s two groups of aliens, the Wouples and Mouples, something about working together. He said:

Every one of you, zysdeel(1) each other, and Wouples zysdeel(1) Mouples. Think of the example your great leader set: He grabowzed(2) for you all, so should Mouples do for Wouples.

Now zysdeel(1) was a word with two meanings: The one is to obey as if the other knows better, the other meaning is to work together.

And grabowze(2) was a verb with the meaning of giving in to another, or giving away to another, of surrendering to another.

On one side of the planet, Wouples were in charge and saw Wouple leadership as normal. (more…)

Submit? How? Steven Tracy on the nature and scope of marital submission.

Steven Tracy wrote a paper (from a complementarian perspective) on “WHAT DOES ‘SUBMIT IN EVERYTHING’ REALLY MEAN? THE NATURE AND SCOPE OF MARITAL SUBMISSION“.

He notices that in the real world, with it’s many real problems of power abuse, people have very real problems with submission – and what the Bible say about these problems. He discusses what it means that our ultimate submission should be to Christ, where emphasis should be placed when submission conflicts with loyalty to Christ, or with keeping your children safe, with your own conscience, etc. All of this, he tackles from the Bible.

If you are a wife who struggle with submission for reasons like this, I’d advice you to skip right to the bottom of page 20 and start reading SUMMARY PRINCIPLES REGARDING THE PARAMETERS OF FEMALE SUBMISSION. If you want to read a bit more, start at page 12: BIBLICAL CONSIDERATIONS, or at page 17: Eph 5:24—”submit in everything”.


Ps: You could also prayerfully consider this view, from Marg Moczko. To quote from her view: “Disturbingly, some Christians have tried to work out the parameters and limits of wifely submission and attempted to define what types and amounts of harmful and hurtful behaviour a wife should put up with before she may resist her husband, say “no” to her husband, or even leave the marriage.  It seems to me that when we begin defining and quantifying certain forms of bad behaviour and abuse against women, we have missed the point entirely.  The point of any instruction or law in the Bible is justice, mercy and compassion! (Zech 7:9-10; Mat 23:23; Rom 13:9-10).  Justice, mercy and compasssion are the godly ideals and motivations that should be forefront in our minds and hearts when putting any Biblical principle into practice.”

“Wives, submit.” How?

When you hear “The original Greek text say…” what do you think?

A saying like that makes many listeners think that someone is trying to torture the scripture into saying what they prefer to believe. And then the listeners shut off.  So, for this discussion of what the Bible means when it asks wives to submit, I promise there will be no “the original Greek word mean…(more…)

“Submit in everything, short of sin.” How?

“A wife should submit to her husband in everything, short of sin.” – Common complementarian teaching

Suppose a wife believe that, and want to live it out, what should she do in practice? I guess it depends on your definition of sin. (more…)

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