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Priests and Levites are not evidence of male church leaders

Have you ever heard the argument that priests and Levites were male*, therefore male church leadership was the plan of God? Here is one apologist expressing the idea:

“…a system of religious authority was instituted in the Mosaic law, a system in which authority was in the hands of the priests and Levites – and only men could serve.” To make this point more clear now, let me point out that the closest OT equivalent to church leaders were the priests and Levites, and they were all men. Only males of the tribe of Levi could serve, which meant that in the OT, religious authority was allowed only for qualified men, not women – the same as in the NT.

– John Tors, from the web site Truth in my Days.


His main premise is wrong: Priests and Levites were not (more…)

HEADSHIP Bible: Genesis 2 and 3

tree_of_iaYou know the HEADSHIP (Husbandly & Ecclesiastical Authoritative Dominance, Subverting Her Into her Place) Bible? John Piper and Gavin Peacock just gave us another peek into their Bibles. This time, it is from Genesis 2 and 3.

Genesis 2

…9 The Lord God made all kinds of trees grow out of the ground—trees that were pleasing to the eye and good for food. In the middle of the garden were the tree of life and the tree of increased authority over another human…

16 And the Lord God commanded the man, “You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; 17 but you must not eat from the tree of increased authority over another human, for when you eat from it you will certainly die.”…

Genesis 3

3 Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the Lord God had made. He said to the woman, “Did God really say, ‘You must not eat from any tree in the garden’?”

2 The woman said to the serpent, “We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden, 3 but God did say, “You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.”

4 “You will not certainly die,” the serpent said to the woman. 5 “For God knows that when you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, having authority over Adam.”

6 When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining authority, she took some and ate it. She kept it away from her husband because she wanted to usurp his authority, but he grabbed and he ate it. 7 Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they realized the power balance between them was disturbed…


Protection: Does Biblical manhood learn from the Mafia?

mafia-hat-01John Piper say:

… true manhood inclines a man to fight to protect women…

Of course, he means manhood as a gender role, manhood as defined by the Council of Biblical Manhood and Womanhood. We all know that not all men “fight to protect women.” In fact, statistics say that 35% of women worldwide have experienced either intimate partner violence or non-partner sexual violence in their lifetime.*
Neither protectors of women nor violators of women could call themselves the example of what men as a group are really like. Both only show what men like them are like. Some men protect women, but some women also protect men in a variety of ways, from being in the military, through protecting his interests by being the one who remembers things like paying the bills, to lying to protect a criminal boyfriend from a jail sentence.
Piper is, of course, one of many voices in his group, which all speak of how men relate to women. Here we have the words of Bruce Ware: (more…)

Submitting to authorities and husbands: Beware of those who change the meaning of words half-way through

Can you see the word that changes its meaning in this Martha Peace quote? Try to spot it:

Question  asked to Martha Peace: I know the Bible teaches women to be submissive to their husbands, but what about a wife whose husband screams, cusses, and hits her?

Answer from Martha Peace: The Bible clearly teaches that wife is to submit herself to the authority of her husband (Ephesians 5:22; Titus 2:5; Colossians 3:18; I Peter 3:1). The Greek word for “be submissive to” is hupotasso. It is a military term that means to be ranked under in military order. Hupotasso in no way implies that the wife is inferior, but it does clearly mean that she has a different role. Her role has been given to her by God… the Lord expects us to be faithful to obey in the small things as well as the large. So, wives are to be submissive to their husbands with one exception – if he asks her to sin. In a case such as her husband asking her to sin, she would then have to obey God (who is the higher authority)… A wife whose husband is sinning should appeal to her husband. And if he does not repent, she should tell him what he is doing is not right (based on Scripture if he is a Christian). Either way, she would give a gentle, loving reproof (Galatians 6:1)… If he is a Christian, she should follow the steps of church discipline in Matthew 18:15-18 and if necessary call the police based on Romans 13:1. If he is an unbeliever, the church has no authority over him, but, of course, the police and courts do. (more…)

“Biblical” gender roles – just the thing for lazy women, the secular feminist and everyone who use the Bible like a ventriloquist’s puppet!

Yes, man-hating extremist, you could embrace complementarianism. Atheists and everyone who do not like to follow the Bible, you are likewise welcome in the complementarian tent! (more…)

Divine right? Leave that to Him who is divine

Because I said so! That's why.

Do you believe that some humans have a divine right? Do you think that the son of a king is born with a divine right to rule over others? That whites have a God-given right to rule over blacks?

Me neither. Oh, this have been coaxed in many nice terms in the past: “It is not a right to rule, it is a God-given responsibility to rule wisely.” Kristen, who often comments as KR Wordgazer on many sites, notices:

“God-given responsibility.” Yep. Just a euphemism for “divine right.” It also used to be called “the white man’s burden” and “noblesse oblige.”

Dress it up however you like, FoF. It’s still an assertion of the divine right …

There is, however, one area on which many people still believe in divine right: Evangelical masculists defend the divine right of males to rule females. I can state without a doubt that God does not give that right in any of the 66 books that make up the Bible. God does not, in any command in the Bible, give men as a group the right – or responsibility – to rule.*

Are we rebels who dislike authority when we don’t want men to rule women, or kings to rule, or whites to rule blacks? Once again, Kristen answers: (more…)

Authority is for sharing!

Hierarchal complementarians (evangelical masculists) claim that men have authority over women, and women should submit and do not share in the authority. They claim that men are made to picture Christ (who had authority), and women to picture the church (which did not, they say). They go as far as telling that Christ is eternally subordinate to the father – a doctrine that have been opposed by church fathers through the ages.

I believe they take the metaphor way too far, to things the Bible never teach. But still, if you go from the assumption that we should follow, as far as authority goes, the ways of how Christ treated humans, we get this:

Mat 10:1 He called his twelve disciples to him and gave them authority to drive out evil spirits and to heal every disease and sickness.
Luk 10:19-20 I have given you [the 72] authority to trample on snakes and scorpions and to overcome all the power of the enemy; nothing will harm you. However, do not rejoice that the spirits submit to you, but rejoice that your names are written in heaven.”
2 Cor 10:8 For even if I boast somewhat freely about the authority the Lord gave us for building you up rather than pulling you down, I will not be ashamed of it.
Rev 2:26 To him who overcomes and does my will to the end, I will give authority over the nations—
Luk 15:22 The Prodigal Son “But the father said to his servants, ‘Quick! Bring the best robe [righteousness/restored relationship] and put it on him. Put a ring on his finger [authority] and sandals on his feet [not a slave]. 15:31 “‘My son,’ the father said, ‘you are always with me, and everything I have is yours.

Gen 1:28  And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

God don’t keep authority for himself, but shares it. Nor does he withdraw it when we do wrong. Humanity got authority over the earth in Genesis 1:28, and still have it. In fact, Jesus had to become human to save us, because you have to be human to have authority on earth.

If God don’t keep authority for himself, but shares it freely, churches should follow suit, and (even under the husband-as-Christ and wife as the church idea) tell men that women should have authority. That is, if they really want to follow in His example.


Note: I am very much indebted to Joanlp, a commenter here, for this thought.

Women can have authority in the church, even if helper mean what comps say it does

Premise 1) Eve was made to be a helper to Adam. (Genesis 2:18)

Premise 2) To be a helper is to be the one under authority of the helpee. (Complementarian assumption, needed to get to Conclusion A.)

Conclusion A) The man was made to have authority over his wife right from creation. (Complementarian teaching)

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 Premise 3) The congregation (males included) were told to assist Phoebe. (Rom. 16:1-2) (more…)

God on the back seat, man at the steer: Why men-should-lead is not God’s design

Whether you are a Christian or not, this quote is worrisome:

“Daughters are Daddy’s girls in the objective sense, and this particular daughter rejoices in that truth. I am owned by my father…As strange as it may sound, in the peculiar relationship of the father and daughter, God, as it were, takes a back seat. God has created a hierarchy such that the daughter is directly answerable to her father, and her father then answers to God.” – Sarah Faith Schlissel (Bold mine) (1)

This is not Christianity. This is heresy. This is man-worship. There is one mediator between God and man – Jesus. Jesus and Paul actually blame their listeners for following in the ways of their fathers. (Luk 11:48; 1 Pe 1:18)

If you are an unbeliever, the “God takes a back seat” part may not bother you, but you may still find “Daughters are Daddy’s girls in the objective sense …” chilling. This is not the only patriarchal quote that may cause the world to blaspheme the gospel. Look, for example, at these two:

But, as I have declared on numerous occasions, there is no such thing as equality(between men and women) in any … spiritual sense.– Patriarchal blogger Vox Day. (2) (more…)

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