Because Christianity is bigger than Biblical manhood or Biblical womanhood

The question is going to come up, where was God? I though God cared about the little children. God protects the little children. Where was God when all this went down. Here’s the bottom line, God is not going to go where he is not wanted.

Now we have spent since 1962 — we’re 50 years into this now–we have spent 50 years telling God to get lost, telling God we do not want you in our schools, we don’t want to pray to you in our schools, we do not want to pray to your before football games, we don’t want to pray to you at graduations, we don’t want anybody talking about you in a graduation speech…

In 1962 we kicked prayer out of the schools. In 1963 we kicked God’s word out of ours schools. In 1980 we kicked the Ten Commandments out of our schools. We’ve kicked God out of our public school system. And I think God would say to us, ‘Hey, I’ll be glad to protect your children, but you’ve got to invite me back into your world first. I’m not going to go where I’m not wanted. I am a gentlemen. – Bryan Fischer

If Bryan Fischer was the only guy who said anything like this, I would not have made this blog entry. Sadly, the attitude seems fairly common.
Does God really not go to American schools? I learned in Sunday School that God is everywhere. American schools are part of “everywhere.”
I heard from some theologians, later in my life, that hell is the only place God is absent. But I can find no justification for the view that hell and American schools are the two places God is absent.
With the amount of Americans who go to church, I assume that any given school will have some children or teachers who are children of God. The Spirit of God lives inside the believer, so God’s Spirit attends every school with at least one believer in it.
What is more, many Americans actually want prayer, Bible reading, etc. in schools and cannot make it happen. A god that say: “I am unwelcome in school. Nobody wants me there” would be a liar if even one teacher, child or parent wanted him there. The God I know is not a liar.
And when we hear of church shootings, should we conclude that we have banned God from our churches?

At least, this is how I see this.

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PS: According to the data of Grant Duwe, a criminologist with the Minnesota Department of Corrections, mass killings actually reached their peak in 1929. That was with the Bible and prayer still a part of American school culture.

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Comments on: "Does God avoid American schools?" (10)

  1. Great article! Yes if God lives in the Believer then God is everywhere where there is a believer, He will not abandon us because we enter a “certain building or strcuture” as if that is stopping the Almighty Creator of the Universe. It is hard to remember that, specially in times of danger, etc, but God is always with us. :)

  2. This is just another example of someone trying to make sense of things I guess.

    As an American I prayed in school despite people saying the opposite. When I was young it was allowed, and later on you had the moment of silence. I used that for prayer. You can’t stop that. I never told God to go away or get lost. He certainly never left me because I entered some government building that is afraid to mention his name.

    I mean seriously….is God NOT going to join me in school because administrators are afraid they will offend someone with prayer? My God is not that weak, and he knows I want him there.

    I’m old now, but I can safety say the same goes for my teenager children in High School.

    There is shootings, stabbings, bombing, etc all over the planet. Did God get forced out of there as well? We see from bible stories – ie Lion’s den – you can’t FORCE God out when someone wants him there.

    I think sometimes people say things to try to make sense of something that you just can’t make sense of. I guess on some level it makes them at peace. For myself? I just have to accept I don’t know why these awful things happen. I may never know. That doesn’t mean God left me ANYWHERE.

    • I know, people are just trying to make sense of it. I am not blaming lay people who say this. (Theologians should know better, though.) But if we make hasty pronouncements over why God allow things, we sometimes make it harder for people to believe in the God we proclaim. And harder to see events in a way that allow them to believe God cares, that He is there with them in their time of sorrow. After all, by this view, God chose to not be there.

      In cases like these it is wiser not to speak than to say something untrue that could damage someone else’s faith.

  3. Kids are now, and have always been, allowed to pray in school. The only thing not allowed is for teachers or administration to lead prayer. There are very good reasons for this, having to do with the freedom of religion of minorities. God is not absent from schools just because the law says “adult authorities cannot lead kids in prayer.”

  4. I suspect that such statements are an attempt from the Conservative Right to shift attention away from gun control. Whether they know it or not.

  5. People that try to make God small enough to fit into their mental boxes tend to forget that God is omnipresent.

  6. Debra- that is a really insightful comment.

    KR, as I understand it, there is more things disallowed than just “teachers leading prayer.” Do I get it right when I say anyone in front – which include a student’s at his/ her graduation speech – is not allowed to talk of God and the Bible, or to pray?

    Rachel Held Evans wrote “God cannot be kept out, which say it really well: http://rachelheldevans.com/blog/god-kept-out

    • Retha- no, it is not true that students are not allowed, as a hard-and-fast rule, to talk about God or the Bible, or to pray during a graduation speech. See this link:

      http://www.askthejudge.info/high-school-valedictorian-allowed-to-pray-at-graduation/10052/

      A quote from the article: “The line is drawn between student-led or initiated prayer and school sponsored prayer. Anything that constitutes a school’s endorsement of religion in general or a specific religion is unconstitutional. The blur between student free speech and freedom of religion must be handled delicately and judiciously by school authorities.”

      What it boils down to is that there is controversy over whether a student can pray or talk about God during a graduation speech. Different school districts tend to handle this differently. When a student’s religious speech is curtailed, sometimes the courts have ruled in favor of the students, sometimes in favor of the district. The issue includes whether the school district has a bona fide reason for curtailing a student’s freedom of expression.

      Here’s another interesting link that addresses some of the nuances of this. Christians often oversimplify this complicated issue.

      http://www.firstamendmentschools.org/freedoms/faq.aspx?id=12811

  7. great article, great blog

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